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The Ballot Result Domino Effect


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If you were around for the period of civil war that was Smash 3DS/Wii U’s DLC cycle, you likely remember how the Smash Fighter Ballot was on the minds of everyone and their mother. A time where people made use of ballot stuffing robots to pitch in votes for their most wanted with really no idea whatsoever as to how the results would be tallied. Over two years after the ballot’s end, we still don’t know the exact results, who was in the top 5 alongside Bayonetta, and what exactly ‘among realizable characters’ meant. And probably for the better. It was ultimately a better choice in retrospect to not leave certain fans feeling bitter over losing by x amount of votes and just leave the Ballot be. Perhaps some things are best left forgotten for now.

So later on, there was another Nintendo poll, the Choose Your Legends poll, this time to gain fan insight into who people preferred for their upcoming slot machine mobile Fire Emblem crossover, Fire Emblem Heroes. And there was voting. Lots of it. Considering the Fire Emblem fanbase has its infamy for being volatile, it would only make sense to maintain the same level of secrecy that the Smash Ballot had-

Oh lord.

This is an event from months ago, but it comes up as relevant since it’s one thing fans might default to when reading the recent interview with the producer and the director of Fire Emblem Warriors, another Fire Emblem crossover due this year.

Let’s look at this line in particular. One edit is made for context’s sake:

“Hayashi: We had a really hectic time in choosing [the characters]. At first our company considered from the weapons first and sent the proposal [list], but Intelligent Systems pointed us to the results of popularity polls, and Nintendo also told us ‘please add this character’, so we adjusted it little by little.”

Popularity polls…so, like the very public and open Choose Your Heroes Poll? The one with publicly available final results? What would that have to do with Fire Emblem Warriors in any se-oh wait they mentioned popularity polls as part of the influence and there was a recent worldwide one. Granted, it’s worth noting that by the team’s own admission, Fire Emblem Warriors was in development for two years by the time they revealed it, and there were earlier polls from Famitsu like these two, which a lot of Western fans would likely not know about given their exclusivity to Japan. But this goes back to the point as to why the secrecy around the Smash Ballot was for the better.

Imagine the average Smash speculator, around mid-September 2015, during the drought of news for DLC, discussing the chances of their most wanted character. Then @NintendoAmerica comes around and tweets this out of the blue (for the purposes of this article, a faked tweet):


Twitter then being responsible for hurling the fragile stability of the Smash fandom onto a nitro crate.


The chain effect begins of flaming, calls of the ballot being rigged, derisions of overrated echo chamber characters, articles elsewhere bashing the characters at the top, and in general the community being about as stable as a raging bull. Now imagine that tweet in retrospect if Bayonetta had still won. Some people would feel cheated, calling Nintendo out on a vote that could have easily changed from when the tweet was posted. The complaints above intensify and leave a black mark for their infamy. Now imagine all that, with publicly available final results on the Smash Ballot, with perhaps one of those three characters mentioned in the tweet losing the top spot by about 7,000 votes, or other unforeseen conditions where the character won, but string pulling from Nintendo had them shafted in favor of someone else.

And the results would then be used in the future. For what, who knows, but then the next crossover arrives and…where are the top characters on the ballot? Those characters were in the top 10 but characters over 50 spots down get in first?


Context is everything.

You see the point I’m making, right? How ballot results can/would still be relevant far into the future? Companies slip up all the time, yes, but Nintendo kept the Smash Ballot results secret for a reason, albeit an unknown one, so what exactly was it about the Heroes poll that they thought would have had less of an impact if they released results with a fanbase like Fire Emblem’s? (Worth noting as well is that they made those ‘If there were a Smash 2’ poll results public, but that was when Smash was relatively low profile and in its infancy).

Fans will greatly scrutinize those poll results for future games, and no amount of Orb microtransactions/unit pandering in Heroes or well-made games will change their mindset.

  1. Ugh, the Fire Emblem fanbase.

    As if Hyrule Warriors didn’t do THE SAME DAMN thing by narrowing it down to 3 well-known/relevant entries. At first. Before the inevitable, fan-servicing DLC kicked in.

    That’s the real problem with these polls. They give the most vocal fans on the internet the impression that a mandate to personally cater to them exists, regardless of how unrepresentative they really are. The mere idea that other factors exist beyond popularity gets lost in a sea of fan myopia ( And it’s not like a publicly available, voluntary poll is statistically reliable to begin with. These polls are okay if they’re just for fun (like the popularity polls in Shonen Jump manga), but telling people there’s a tool they can use to directly influence a series is just asking for trouble.

    Igiulaw on July 26 |
  2. I’m just amazed that two years have already passed since the Ballot days! Time flies…

    Soupnerd on July 26 |
  3. CYL flashbacks. Really, the ballot itself had problems (like multiple votes per person) so it’s probably not even reliable and yet people seem to take it as undeniable truth (and some fans can get obnoxious). It’s gotten better lately, but I still dislike the poll.

    Arthur 97 on July 26 |
  4. Indeed, my lengthy analysis talked about how influential releasing results (mid-term) was, instead of a totally blind ballot to the end.xD You would toss aside the obscure to vote for those with a better chance of winning (most of the time, others stuck to what they had).

    xkan on July 26 |
    • I had already voted Lucina in this example, but when I saw she was close to the top, I admittedly stopped voting with variety and just went all in for Lucina. So, yeah, I can agree it affects votes.

      Arthur 97 on July 26 |
      • Indeed! Things like that : )

        xkan on July 27 |
  5. My problems about Ballots is for nothing and means nothing after all….. Look for example Fire Emblem Warriors, They decides only used FE Shadow Dragon, FE Awakening and FE Fates (three games most overrated of franchise)…. Votes not even care anymore for this, i’m still extremely salty about this!! I’m not buy DLCs of my other favorites lords

    Nacho Loredo on July 26 |
    • The problems right now about FE Warriors are completely game feel flat compared FE Heroes (said whatever about this game, but Heroes do justice with all characters franchise and do a tons a money about this)

      This game just caused for newbies of Fire Emblem…….. But I’m hope for future, at least in Smash Bros, Lyn/Lyndis be most perfect new character in smash (she’s freacking most popular character all series, tecnically second if you count two votes of Ike… but still!!!)

      Nacho Loredo on July 26 |
      • You know that poll is flawed right?

        Arthur 97 on July 26 |
  6. Don’t fear the chaos

    Ar on July 27 |
    • There is a reason that Fandom and Fanbase come from the word “fanatic” and I just what to say that I really hate Fandoms and Fanbases. To me, it feels like they create more problems such as excluding people with different ideas on the subject, causing more fraction instead of unity within the community and they always have a sense of entitlement and ungratefulness. I hate the Fire Emblem community now because they tell me that I’m not a real Fire Emblem fan and that Awakening and Fates( a game and story that I like) aren’t real Fire Emblem games and Im like “Fuck You, maybe I shouldn’t support this series if your going to act like that”. For me, I’m going to keep getting Fire Emblem games regardless but I have no interest in what the fanbase wants.

      David Horan on July 27 |