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Rate That Character Round Up #10

Welcome to the 10th edition of Rate That Character Round Up!
We did it. We finally got our first glimpse at the new Super Smash Bros. game. But this doesn’t stop us doing RTC episodes every day. Spazzy makes the start with our favorite fighting grandpa:

Verdict: Heihachi is a character from a huge franchise that belongs to a company Nintendo is on great terms with. He was considered, if only briefly, by Sakurai for Smash before. The only thing really getting in his way is the fact that Sakurai couldn’t figure out how to implement him previously… but given a bit more time that might no longer be a problem.


Next, NantenJex analyzed one of the most requested characters for Smash Bros right before the E3 reveal: Waluigi.
Will Waluigi finally be added as a fighter (Editor’s Note: Spoilers – He won’t):

Verdict: Short of Sakurai deciding to focus on all the popular fan-choices for Smash for Switch it feels unlikely that Waluigi will make it thanks to those comments. Sakurai seems to not few Waluigi as playable material and while this could change like it did with Villager we have no idea. It is leaning more towards the unlikely side of things as his reasoning for Waluigi not being in is different to that of Villager and even Ridley. Waluigi is popular and could be unique but with quite a bit of competition in his own series as well it seems that Waluigi will only be lending a helping hand once more. But we won’t have long until we find out.


The day after the E3 reveal of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was Hell for some fans. Good that Kawlum checked out Hell to see if Doom Guy could make it into Smash Bros.:

Doom is my favorite of all time. Would I love Doom Guy in Smash? Absolutely!
Is it happening? Hell no!



Next, LIQUID12A takes a look at the enemy from the Metroid Prime-series even tho we already got a pretty big character in Smash Bros. Ultimate now. But can we use more in Smash Bros.?

Verdict: Rundas chances are, to put it simply, on ice. The odds are stacked against him to a degree of being
impossible. Other Metroid characters have far more important positives than he does and any surprise appearances in the near future probably wouldn’t save him relevancy-wise, even when Smash Switch slightly started development (later).



And while we’re at it, LIQUID12A also paid a visit to the Fire Emblem-universe and looked for a worthy Axe-user for Smash Bros. Did he find a worthy candidate?

Hector, in theory, has the means to pass the merit test and join the battle, but too many hurdles obstruct his path, with not many ways for his chances to be given a breath of life. Hector himself knew he would die on the battlefield as foretold when he picked up his trusty axe, but unfortunately for him, it likely won’t be on Smash’s Battlefield.



NantenJex meanwhile looked in the other popular game from Intelligent System. Is Sami a suitable Newcomer for the Super Smash Bros.-series? Or does her war end here?

Verdict: Sakurai said he was very limited in which newcomers he could add this time, which requires us to be a lot more critical now with our scores. Because of this, Sami is not quite the frontrunner, when it comes to newcomers to be added. And she can’t even really be an Echo Fighter of anyone on the existing roster unless they wanted to focus on explosives to make her more like Snake. But that’s not quite right for her. Well, I would love to see any Advance Wars-characters, and maybe we will get one, it doesn’t seem likely that Sammy will be in Smash Bros. Ultimate. But I guess we won’t know until December.
  1. another good round up! By the way, will you guys consider re-Rating some character since Daisy is now an Echo fighter of Peach? that would cool, and also maybe have a discuession on Lloyd vs Yuri as a Tales of Rep? cool

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    David Horan on June 17 |
  2. I agree with Horan about reconsidering some characters for Ultimate’s ‘new system’ for clone characters, Echo Fighters. Also, ever since seeing Bomberman as a AT, I have wondered if certain third-party characters (and indie characters too for that matter) have a better chance making it in as ATs instead of playable, we should consider that too.

    Anyway, here are the rest of my suggestions.

    -Medusa (Kid Icarus)

    -Parabô and Satebô (Satellaview mascots)

    -Anyone from Megami Tensei (including sub-series)

    -Slime (Dragon Quest)

    GreatMeat on June 18 |
  3. That choice of character for the header seems poorly-timed.

    MagcargoMan on June 18 |
  4. Here are my comments regarding to these characters…

    Heihachi: Sakurai did considered his inclusion before, and since he had a lot of time after Smash For’s production, I think he finally got some ideas upon how Heihachi would work in Smash. However, I still think Heihachi is difficult for Smash due to his moveset problems. Not just only Heihachi, but Tekken entirely is different from many fighting games like Street Fighters; Tekken doesn’t rely on command entries but combos instead. Due to that, Tekken fighters hardly have any iconic movesets as they only rely on combos for more points and damages, and that may not work in Smash. But even then, maybe Sakurai have some ideas for the evil fist king…or maybe not instead?

    Waluigi: I’ve seen so many arrogant fans being extremely angry at Sakurai for not bringing Waluigi to Smash Ultimate, even he returned as an Assist Trophy. Honestly, as I will say it harshly, I don’t understand why Waluigi’s so popular. I don’t even know why everybody thought Waluigi would join Smash Ultimate. I don’t remember Sakurai saying anything about it, but people had this strange belief that he would, which is meaningless. As much I can say, Waluigi is so different from Daisy’s case. Waluigi mostly appears in a spinoff series, which Sakurai tend to ignore for Smash, like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and Hyrule Warriors. Sure, Daisy mostly appears in spinoffs too, but she was born from the main core title, which is Super Mario Land, so her inclusion do make a lot of sense. So as long Sakurai would avoid spinoffs, I don’t think Waluigi have a chance at this moment.

    Rundas: I haven’t played the Prime series before, but Rundas looks so interesting as he have unique movesets that may fit in Smash. But just like Midna and Marx, characters that only appeared one time in that game doesn’t seem to have a chance to join Smash. And as Prime 3 has became so old now, I don’t think Rundas is that relevant to modern players today, while Dark Samus is more popular instead. So I do say his inclusion is impossible.

    Hector: I don’t know how popular he really is as I don’t know much about him either, but I wouldn’t believe popularity alone would allow characters to join Smash. Sure, people wants an axe user for the FE roster, but even then I don’t think he’s really that important to become playable. As an Assist Trophy would make sense, but being playable may be futile at this moment. I would suggest a new character (which I forgot her name) from FE Three Houses, or Anna as being in almost every series of the game.

    Sami: Advance Wars is already a forgotten title at this moment, as Sami doesn’t seem to be relevant today. Andy would make sense, but he’s not in a relevant spot either. If they’re gonna bring a character from the strategic RPG game, then Nintendo may focus only on Fire Emblem as that game is the REAL strategic RPG. Real-life firearms is also another problem for this case, which replacing everything with explosives may work as well, but relevancy is more important IMO. But at this moment, it’s all up to Sakurai.

    zoniken on June 18 |
    • I don’t think the Land games are considered Core Mario titles even though they are platformers. Miyamoto had no involvement in them even though they were made back when he had the reigns of the franchise, and other than Daisy and Wario appearing in spin-offs, literally nothing else from the Land games has ever shown up in later Mario games. Not enemies, not power-ups, not locations, not bosses. Nothing.

      I think it’s also worth noting that during Mario’s 25th anniversary, the Land games were completely absent and only every other Mario platformer was acknowledged.

      MagcargoMan on June 19 |