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Bayonetta Might’ve Been Chosen 2 Weeks into the Ballot

Hey all, PushDustIn from Source Gaming here.

Recently, there has been a bombshell that has dropped on the Smash community.

Ruben on Twitter posted that in the 1.0.6 patch for Smash for Wii U, Ike and Zero Suit Samus’ parameters were copied and added at the end of the character list – shifting the data for the final Smash forms and bosses down.

Eventually, these copied parameters would later serve the basis for the DLC characters, Cloud and Bayonetta.

For reference, Corrin’s preliminary data was eventually added in 1.0.8.

Marioking64DS and Ehm from TCRF were able to confirm the existence of Bayonetta’s parameters in 1.0.6 and were nearly 1 to 1 to Zero Suit Samus’.

Bayo’s Data in 1.0.6 (April 2015)

Zero Suit Samus’ Data in 1.0.6 (April 2015)

1.0.6 was released on April 15th, 2015 while 1.0.8 was released on June 14th, 2015.

Cloud would be released on December 15th, 2015 with Bayonetta and Corrin releasing on February 3rd, 2016.

Bayo’s Data in 1.1.7 (July 18th, 2017)

This does lead some credibility that Bayonetta was chosen VERY early in the Smash Ballot – as her data started appearing in the game about 2 weeks after the ballot was announced. It’s unknown when Bayonetta’s concept was finalized, or if the team had chosen the character very early in the ballot’s lifespan.

Sakurai has discussed how much time and energy character development took.

Previously, we reported on the ‘MarioSlots’ that were uncovered by Shiny Quaqsire within Smash’ DLC Development. However, this goes a step earlier than the MarioSlots as the parameters predate it.

DLC Data Mining Reveals Additional Slots

According to MarioKing64DS, using another characters’ parameters as a base isn’t that uncommon in Smash. For example, Little Mac was probably built off of Captain Falcon. When Little Mac and Captain Falcon climb a ladder and get to the top the last frame of the animation is actually the same as Captain Falcon’s.

As we all know, Captain Falcon plays very differently than Little Mac. It’s just easier to start with something than nothing.

While many fans may be disappointed to know their votes didn’t actually impact the DLC selection, the silver lining is that the Japanese site DOES mention that the ballot would be used for future installments of Smash. The ballot may have also impacted Mii Fighter costume selection or inspired Sakurai to try to bring all the veterans back for Smash Ultimate.

Smash Ballot Translation Guide

What do you think about the news? Let us know in the comments below.

A special thanks to MarioKing64DS, Blazingflare and Ehm for helping confirm this data.

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9 comments
  1. Shocker.

    backup368 on July 3 |
  2. Lmao, so many people flamed me for saying Bayo wasn’t the real winner on SB. Feeling pretty vindicated rn

    FunAtParties on July 4 |
  3. Don’t know what to say, if I understood what this article’s trying to tell me about. But if Bayonetta wasn’t the actual winner of the Smash Ballot, then that would maybe explain why the officials haven’t revealed the results of the Top 5 or 10 yet. But why would they hide such thing until now? I just don’t get it.

    But either way, I do think the Ballot results may be planned for Ultimate as the Japanese site stated. Ridley was chosen due to popularity (meme related of course), so maybe he could’ve been involved in the ballot as well. And since we have 5-6 more characters for Ultimate, maybe we can see some ballot related characters to join in. Just need to stay positive…or maybe I’m just being too careless because it doesn’t really matter.

    zoniken on July 4 |
  4. If this was discovered back when a few years ago when Smash Wii U was relevant, I would have been very mad about this. I think after Smash 4 let me down I’ve just become to jaded regarding the series to care. That or Smash Ultimate being Smash 4.5 has made me care less about what happens in it.

    Anyway, this confirms my suspicions that what went on with the ballet wasn’t as clear-cut as people seemed to think it was. If Sakurai ever comes out and confirms the Top 5 results for Europe, America and Japan and there’s a character who beat Bayo and both US and Japan’s then I’m gonna be pretty annoyed.

    MagcargoMan on July 4 |
    • So Smash for Wii U anda 3DS being Smash 3.5 didn’t make you care less?

      Anyway, I’m just glad there was enough votes in the first weeks to put Bayonetta in. It’s great getting her and every veteran back with new characters and I’m sure a sizable part of the newcomers had choosen with ballot votes in mind, so this game really going to be great.

      Though, a lot of people voted multiple times so I don’t know top 5 or 10 means much.

      DeeperThanRed on July 4 |
    • Yes, smash characters were decided by ballet. Bayonetta danced beautifully to dance of the sugar plum fairy.

      Clo on July 5 |
  5. I think i understand what they did, Smash Ultimate development started before the end of the DLC development, so the smash ballot is a “What if there we’re Smash 5?” just like “What if there is a Smash 2” but disguised to not make it suspicious. Bayonetta was probably decided before the ballot or when they we’re VERY early result ^^

    Naryoko on July 7 |
  6. What a bunch of tripe. The data for the Zamus copy in 1.0.6 barely matches Bayonetta’s. All this article proves is that by 1.0.6 they were prepping for 2 DLC charscters, potentially 1 male and 1 female.

    Nice lying by obfuscation, Source Gaming. “The data matches Zamus almost 100%, but ghis proves Bayonetta was planned all along!”

    Yuna on July 7 |